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Post by Archangel » Wed May 13, 2009 10:54 am

Obama just signs a bill for spending of $20.3 million for Palestinian refugees (known terrorist) immigration.

http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2 ... 04-E9-2488

Now this administration wants Chrysler to cut it's advertising spending in half from $143 million, but signs a frickin bill to spend 20.3 million on letting terrorists in this country INSTEAD OF ALLOWING A TROUBLED COMPANY TO HELP IT'S SELF.

WHERE DOES YOUR PRIORITIES LIE OBAMA????
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Post by BaronVonRotterdam » Wed May 13, 2009 8:52 pm

Archangel wrote:Obama just signs a bill for spending of $20.3 million for Palestinian refugees (known terrorist) immigration.

http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2 ... 04-E9-2488

Now this administration wants Chrysler to cut it's advertising spending in half from $143 million, but signs a frickin bill to spend 20.3 million on letting terrorists in this country INSTEAD OF ALLOWING A TROUBLED COMPANY TO HELP IT'S SELF.

WHERE DOES YOUR PRIORITIES LIE OBAMA????
OH MY GOD I LOVE OBAMA LETS VOTE FOR HIM (sarcasm). Now I can say to all those impulse voters that I was right about how this election was based on publicity and hype about us having our first black president than one held on solving the problems of America. Not saying I would vote for McCain either, infact I can't vote but if I could I didn't like anyone who was running and probably wouldn't have.
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Post by hwsb » Fri May 15, 2009 11:53 am

LOL. man archangel, you always deliver.

first, it says _UP TO_ 20.3 million. slight difference there.

second, censored CHRYSLER.

third, i find it incredibly amusing that you berate obama for one act of charity while simultaneously advocating the _socialist_ means by which Chrysler got the money to spend on advertising. if i were inclined, i could likely find threads on this forum where you go off about "socialist obama this and that", and now your phrasing it like "ALLOWING A COMPANY TO HELP IT'S SELF"... as if it didn't get the money it's wasting on advertising from the taxpayers.

fourth, you betray yourself:
spending of $20.3 million for Palestinian refugees (known terrorist)
not all brown people are terrorists, you know. just because _hamas_ is their legitimately elected government doesn't mean everyone affected by violence in that region is a terrorist.

(btw i agree with you that the gaza relief money shouldn't be done. i'm just very much also against the auto company bailouts.)




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Post by Archangel » Fri May 15, 2009 12:56 pm

Dude......you haven't the slightest idea what the hell your talking about.

1. Palestinian Territories is home of Hamas (known terrorists).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

2. Any financial support that goes to that region will end up in Hamas hands. Remember Mogadishu, it's the same dame thing (or did you forget about what happened there). If you don't know, rent the movie "Blackhawk Down"

3. How can you tell who is Hamas and who isn't? It would be a screwed-up if we immigrate them into the country, support them and they pull off a terrorist act.

4. Sounds like you have never seen tragedy or ruthlessness up close and personal. When you do, let's see if you have the same opinion. I've seen tragedy and how ruthless people can get.

5. In regards to Chrysler, how the hell are suppose to sell cars (especially going through a bankruptcy) unless you advertise. The government expects way too much in too little time for Chrysler/GM to get back on their feet. I hear everyone putting all the blame on the car companies, but not on the banks/lending institutions, the futures buyers that drove up the oil prices to over $150 per barrel or the fact that companies have been streamlining (read as layoffs/plant closures and position eliminations) since the 90's. Because of the high unemployment, salary base goes down for current positions available, which means people in general have very little or no money to spend except on the very necessities to live (means not going out and buying new cars, TVs, homes etc.)

6. Our unemployment is currently at 8.9% but realistic figures are as high as 16% because of those that are not employed but are also not collecting any UB (which I currently fall into because I've been off work since 2007). With numbers like these (I just saw on MSN that unemployment increased up last week by 630,000 and this is pretty much been every single week). Now, Chrysler is closing over 800 dealerships and GM over 1,000. Now figure about 30-60 people per dealership will be out of a job by June. That will also mean businesses in the area of those dealerships or are supporting them will be affected. How the hell are you suppose to sell cars (or anything for that matter) when unemployment continues to increase at a drastic rate? Also, the average salary in the US is around $30k and banks have really tightened the purse strings on giving loans.

Now I realize that this administration got handed this mess, but don't make things worse by poor decision making or letting go off half-c0cked. I mean look at that stupid move with AirForce One and the flyover in NYC......geeze that was really thinking.

Do a lil research before spouting off with your keyboard (maybe stop smoking so much of that wackey-tobacco.
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Post by hwsb » Sat May 16, 2009 2:35 pm

Archangel wrote:Dude......you haven't the slightest idea what the hell your talking about.

1. Palestinian Territories is home of Hamas (known terrorists).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
did you even read my post? i specifically pointed out the difference between the populace and the elected government(hamas). and one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
2. Any financial support that goes to that region will end up in Hamas hands. Remember Mogadishu, it's the same dame thing (or did you forget about what happened there). If you don't know, rent the movie "Blackhawk Down"
probably. that's why i'm ultimately against sending the aid in the first place.
3. How can you tell who is Hamas and who isn't? It would be a screwed-up if we immigrate them into the country, support them and they pull off a terrorist act.
what does it matter? if you're going to demonize an entire population as the 'enemy', then own up and admit to it.
4. Sounds like you have never seen tragedy or ruthlessness up close and personal. When you do, let's see if you have the same opinion. I've seen tragedy and how ruthless people can get.
ah, this old chestnut. can't you ever have a conversation like this without having to point out that you were in the guard? sorry, but it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine. Also, it makes you look like John Goodman's character from "The Big Lebowski", talking about how you didn't watch your buddies die face-down in the mud to listen to some chump disagree with you.


5. In regards to Chrysler, how the hell are suppose to sell cars (especially going through a bankruptcy) unless you advertise.
they should be spending the money given to them on re-organizing their business to survive for the long-term, not trying to make money in the short-term through advertising to sell existing stock.
The government expects way too much in too little time for Chrysler/GM to get back on their feet. I hear everyone putting all the blame on the car companies,
bullshit. the auto companies have had over twenty years since their last major bailouts. if the american car companies aren't to blame, then why did (for instance) honda perform so well throughout the entire period? they had _one quarter_ where they didn't turn a profit.
but not on the banks/lending institutions, the futures buyers that drove up the oil prices to over $150 per barrel or the fact that companies have been streamlining (read as layoffs/plant closures and position eliminations) since the 90's. Because of the high unemployment, salary base goes down for current positions available, which means people in general have very little or no money to spend except on the very necessities to live (means not going out and buying new cars, TVs, homes etc.)
this is irrelevant. if the big three had focused on products that were more profitable in the long-term, instead of turning quick profits with vehicles that only showed profit when oil is cheap, they would not be in their current predicament.
Now, Chrysler is closing over 800 dealerships and GM over 1,000. Now figure about 30-60 people per dealership will be out of a job by June. That will also mean businesses in the area of those dealerships or are supporting them will be affected. How the hell are you suppose to sell cars (or anything for that matter) when unemployment continues to increase at a drastic rate? Also, the average salary in the US is around $30k and banks have really tightened the purse strings on giving loans.

Now I realize that this administration got handed this mess, but don't make things worse by poor decision making or letting go off half-c0cked. I mean look at that stupid move with AirForce One and the flyover in NYC......geeze that was really thinking.
and here we come to the crux of it: how many other companies are "too big to fail"? yes, chrysler is closing some dealerships, because they NEED TO, because there were too many for the market as the market existed realistically. you are advocating the subsidization of a product that is not in demand. how many other companies will there be that are "too big to fail"? where will this bullshit stop?
Do a lil research before spouting off with your keyboard (maybe stop smoking so much of that wackey-tobacco.
wow, nice little ad hominem there to tie it up, eh? i know you didn't watch your buddies die face down in the mud to listen to some punk spout off on the internet, but come on man... try to not be insulting. it's just a conversation.

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Post by Archangel » Sat May 16, 2009 6:01 pm

hwsb wrote: listen to some punk spout off on the internet
At least you got one thing right.........
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Post by Archangel » Sat May 16, 2009 6:52 pm

hwsb wrote: did you even read my post? i specifically pointed out the difference between the populace and the elected government(hamas). and one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Ahhhhhhhh.........Since when is Hamas freedom fighters? Especially when almost the whole world sees them as terrorists and sees us as as their enemy.




what does it matter? if you're going to demonize an entire population as the 'enemy', then own up and admit to it.
Have to because of the overall hold on that sector by Hamas.


ah, this old chestnut. can't you ever have a conversation like this without having to point out that you were in the guard? sorry, but it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine. Also, it makes you look like John Goodman's character from "The Big Lebowski", talking about how you didn't watch your buddies die face-down in the mud to listen to some chump disagree with you.
Hmmmmmm.........you must sit around just watching movies all day (I didn't see that one) but, I think you totally missed the point on the overall statement and that there are a lot of people who have seen tragedy of war and disaster. The above statement shows your immaturity in regards to what really goes on in the world.

they should be spending the money given to them on re-organizing their business to survive for the long-term, not trying to make money in the short-term through advertising to sell existing stock.
They are in the business of selling cars, simple as that. No one is buying cars right now because they are unemployed or fear that they will be unemployed soon. Hence no car sales. Evidently you have no idea about what it takes to run a business or stay in business. A company that large has to maintain a certain amount of sales in order to continue operations. But, when all of a sudden you sales go into the crapper because of the rapid unemployment and extreme streamlining of companies in order to stay alive (Honda is one of those that have had to streamline too and they too are worried). Every business right now is sucking. The ones that have shown what they term as a profit have fudged the numbers......they reduce their workforce and also reduce forecast projections to either appease stockholders or to try and secure funding through banks. Companies do this all the time.
bullshit. the auto companies have had over twenty years since their last major bailouts. if the american car companies aren't to blame, then why did (for instance) honda perform so well throughout the entire period? they had _one quarter_ where they didn't turn a profit.
The only one prior to this getting a bailout was Chrysler and ol' Lee Iaccoca paid that one back in full.
this is irrelevant. if the big three had focused on products that were more profitable in the long-term, instead of turning quick profits with vehicles that only showed profit when oil is cheap, they would not be in their current predicament.
Here again you show that you have no knowledge in business or economics. Do some studying in this area and maybe you will get an idea of how it all works.
and here we come to the crux of it: how many other companies are "too big to fail"? yes, chrysler is closing some dealerships, because they NEED TO, because there were too many for the market as the market existed realistically. you are advocating the subsidization of a product that is not in demand. how many other companies will there be that are "too big to fail"? where will this bullshit stop?
Dealerships are businesses in their own right. If a dealership is selling cars, what's the big deal. It's just like any other retail business, dealership buys cars and sells them. Are you advocating the government to do the same in other types of retail business too? How much government control do you want?
wow, nice little ad hominem there to tie it up, eh? i know you didn't watch your buddies die face down in the mud to listen to some punk spout off on the internet, but come on man... try to not be insulting. it's just a conversation.
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That's done by the Electoral College ... blame them.
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Post by hwsb » Sun May 17, 2009 3:22 pm

Archangel wrote:
hwsb wrote: did you even read my post? i specifically pointed out the difference between the populace and the elected government(hamas). and one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Ahhhhhhhh.........Since when is Hamas freedom fighters? Especially when almost the whole world sees them as terrorists and sees us as as their enemy.
so now not only is your opinion more valid than others, you also speak for "almost the whole world"?

what does it matter? if you're going to demonize an entire population as the 'enemy', then own up and admit to it.
Have to because of the overall hold on that sector by Hamas.
yes. heaven forbid if you actually tried to view something from someone else's viewpoint. you HAVE to be a racist censored that can't think for himself.
ah, this old chestnut. can't you ever have a conversation like this without having to point out that you were in the guard? sorry, but it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine. Also, it makes you look like John Goodman's character from "The Big Lebowski", talking about how you didn't watch your buddies die face-down in the mud to listen to some chump disagree with you.
Hmmmmmm.........you must sit around just watching movies all day (I didn't see that one) but, I think you totally missed the point on the overall statement and that there are a lot of people who have seen tragedy of war and disaster. The above statement shows your immaturity in regards to what really goes on in the world.
LOL. whatever helps you sleep at night champ. if you insist that differing viewpoints have nothing to offer, so be it. that's the type of cognitive dissonance you can't argue against.
they should be spending the money given to them on re-organizing their business to survive for the long-term, not trying to make money in the short-term through advertising to sell existing stock.
They are in the business of selling cars, simple as that. No one is buying cars right now because they are unemployed or fear that they will be unemployed soon. Hence no car sales. Evidently you have no idea about what it takes to run a business or stay in business. A company that large has to maintain a certain amount of sales in order to continue operations. But, when all of a sudden you sales go into the crapper because of the rapid unemployment and extreme streamlining of companies in order to stay alive (Honda is one of those that have had to streamline too and they too are worried). Every business right now is sucking. The ones that have shown what they term as a profit have fudged the numbers......they reduce their workforce and also reduce forecast projections to either appease stockholders or to try and secure funding through banks. Companies do this all the time.
ah. so you just "know how it really is" regarding the inner working of these companies? all of them? amazing. guess what: when you're a "company that large [that] has to maintain a certain amount of sales in order to continue operations", you're TOO censored BIG. that's capitalism, buddy! now that it isn't working out exactly as you had hoped you want to jump ship and run into socialism's outstretched arms? and you say i'm the one that doesn't know how a business runs?
and here we come to the crux of it: how many other companies are "too big to fail"? yes, chrysler is closing some dealerships, because they NEED TO, because there were too many for the market as the market existed realistically. you are advocating the subsidization of a product that is not in demand. how many other companies will there be that are "too big to fail"? where will this bullshit stop?
Dealerships are businesses in their own right. If a dealership is selling cars, what's the big deal. It's just like any other retail business, dealership buys cars and sells them. Are you advocating the government to do the same in other types of retail business too? How much government control do you want?
wtf?? NO, i do NOT want the government to bail out businesses. PERIOD. that INCLUDES retarded car manufacturers that make product that NO ONE WANTS. where do you get off saying that it's ok for the government to bail out one industry, but not others?
wow, nice little ad hominem there to tie it up, eh? i know you didn't watch your buddies die face down in the mud to listen to some punk spout off on the internet, but come on man... try to not be insulting. it's just a conversation.
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-alludes to self-perceived superiority

it's the classic internet troll post. holy crap, have you just been trolling me this whole time? are you an epic troll that plays his game so well i never saw it coming? incredible!

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Post by Archangel » Sun May 17, 2009 7:50 pm

hwsb wrote:
Archangel wrote: did you even read my post? i specifically pointed out the difference between the populace and the elected government(hamas). and one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Ahhhhhhhh.........Since when is Hamas freedom fighters? Especially when almost the whole world sees them as terrorists and sees us as as their enemy.
hwsb wrote:so now not only is your opinion more valid than others, you also speak for "almost the whole world"?
Dude, for once do some research.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

hwsb wrote:what does it matter? if you're going to demonize an entire population as the 'enemy', then own up and admit to it.
Have to because of the overall hold on that sector by Hamas.
yes. heaven forbid if you actually tried to view something from someone else's viewpoint. you HAVE to be a racist censored that can't think for himself.
Not racist.......just realist......
hwsb wrote:ah, this old chestnut. can't you ever have a conversation like this without having to point out that you were in the guard? sorry, but it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine. Also, it makes you look like John Goodman's character from "The Big Lebowski", talking about how you didn't watch your buddies die face-down in the mud to listen to some chump disagree with you.
Hmmmmmm.........you must sit around just watching movies all day (I didn't see that one) but, I think you totally missed the point on the overall statement and that there are a lot of people who have seen tragedy of war and disaster. The above statement shows your immaturity in regards to what really goes on in the world. [/quote]
hwsb wrote:LOL. whatever helps you sleep at night champ. if you insist that differing viewpoints have nothing to offer, so be it. that's the type of cognitive dissonance you can't argue against.
C'mon........come up with some better rhetoric than that lame crap.
hwsb wrote:they should be spending the money given to them on re-organizing their business to survive for the long-term, not trying to make money in the short-term through advertising to sell existing stock.
They are in the business of selling cars, simple as that. No one is buying cars right now because they are unemployed or fear that they will be unemployed soon. Hence no car sales. Evidently you have no idea about what it takes to run a business or stay in business. A company that large has to maintain a certain amount of sales in order to continue operations. But, when all of a sudden you sales go into the crapper because of the rapid unemployment and extreme streamlining of companies in order to stay alive (Honda is one of those that have had to streamline too and they too are worried). Every business right now is sucking. The ones that have shown what they term as a profit have fudged the numbers......they reduce their workforce and also reduce forecast projections to either appease stockholders or to try and secure funding through banks. Companies do this all the time. [/quote]
hwsb wrote: ah. so you just "know how it really is" regarding the inner working of these companies? all of them? amazing. guess what: when you're a "company that large [that] has to maintain a certain amount of sales in order to continue operations", you're TOO censored BIG. that's capitalism, buddy! now that it isn't working out exactly as you had hoped you want to jump ship and run into socialism's outstretched arms? and you say i'm the one that doesn't know how a business runs?
As a matter of fact I do as I managed Executive Protection for one of the Big 3 for 11 years. I was there during conferences, meetings and at their homes. This was with the CEO and all the Board members. So I do have extensive knowledge in this area. And it isn't running into socialism's arms as you describe, It's suppose to be a loan like you get from a bank and you pay back. It's funny how you are looking at this as the taxpayers are just giving out a handout when it's just suppose to be a loan.
hwsb wrote:and here we come to the crux of it: how many other companies are "too big to fail"? yes, chrysler is closing some dealerships, because they NEED TO, because there were too many for the market as the market existed realistically. you are advocating the subsidization of a product that is not in demand. how many other companies will there be that are "too big to fail"? where will this bullshit stop?
Dealerships are businesses in their own right. If a dealership is selling cars, what's the big deal. It's just like any other retail business, dealership buys cars and sells them. Are you advocating the government to do the same in other types of retail business too? How much government control do you want? [/quote]
hwsb wrote:wtf?? NO, i do NOT want the government to bail out businesses. PERIOD. that INCLUDES retarded car manufacturers that make product that NO ONE WANTS. where do you get off saying that it's ok for the government to bail out one industry, but not others?
Ahhhhh......Let me guess.....Yer a Honda fanboy......Pfffffffffft.......
I like their trucks and some of their cars and so do many others.
hwsb wrote:wow, nice little ad hominem there to tie it up, eh? i know you didn't watch your buddies die face down in the mud to listen to some punk spout off on the internet, but come on man... try to not be insulting. it's just a conversation.
Just stating the facts.......That is a pot leaf for an icon your using?[/quote]

good lord, the irony of this is incredible. let's see:
hwsb wrote:-doesn't really refute any arguments
-claims i'm ignorant and states that i need to educate myself
-says that his buddies didn't die face-down in the mud for this crap
-personally insulting
-alludes to self-perceived superiority
-I did have to claim your ignorance......you've done so well on your own.
-I've never said anything about my buddies......
-If anyone has been insulting it's been you.
-You must feel inferior or threatened in regards to that last statement.

hwsb wrote:it's the classic internet troll post. holy crap, have you just been trolling me this whole time? are you an epic troll that plays his game so well i never saw it coming? incredible!
The thread (not post) was started to enlighten those that did not know or were not informed.
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