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Post by **Amy Infless** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:59 am

hallo joey!

ich habe meine gründe, warum ich <hier> an DICH und auf deutsch schreibe. ich bin zu sehr "angepisst" darüber dass ich nicht anders kann als auf deutsch!. einer der gründe ist der neue patch. als du irgendwas sagtest so ähnlich wie "seid ihr bereit für den 3. weltkrieg?", da hab´ ich mir noch nichts dabei gedacht, schön, vielleicht ein "paar" neue monster hier, einige neue sounds da. aber was mich dann umgehauen hat war wave 17! ich fand es einfach nur hammergeil! cool! deutsche "sounds"! und ultraharte jungs :-) ich weiss nicht, wie du auf die idee gekommen bist, ob es daran liegt, das du selbst von dir gesagt hast, du bist halber deutscher, und hast deswegen dieses mit einfliessen lassen. ich fand es ein paar maps richtig
rockend, weil die(se) wave(s) nicht gerade leicht sind. aber jetzt kommt der bittere nachgeschmack an der geschichte!
es vergeht kaum noch eine map, in der nicht irgend so ein ignorantes intolerantes dummes a....loch sagt: "ein scheiss nazi hat mich gekillt"
oder "dank diesem scheiss f### nazi hab ich was weiss ich...." und das bald in jeder wave, in der "meine" jungs vorkommen. das kotzt mich an!

wieso kommt jemand darauf, dass das alles nazis sind?
sind die gesichter "typisch nazi" ?? NEIN!
sind die uniformen "typisch nazi"?? NEIN!
sind auf den uniformen hakenkreuze?? NEIN!
schreit irgendjemand "heil hitler!" ? NEIN!
schreit irgendjemand "sieg heil" ? NEIN!
macht irgendeiner von den soldaten die typische sieg-heil-handbewegung? NEIN!

also: warum sind diese deustch sprechenden, irgendeine uniform tragenden soldaten nazis? nur weil sie deutsch sprechen? in welcher kloake bring man den us-kids sowas bei? und im übrigen: du selbst sagst, du bist ein halber deutscher. wir haben uns selbst schon auf "halb" deutsch
auf dem server unterhalten (textchat), und, du trägst eine uniform, zwar die amerikanische, aber darum gehts nicht. du sprichst deutsch und hast eine uniform an, ich spreche deutsch und schreibe hier auf deutsch in einem "english-amerikanischem" forum. MACHT DAS MICH ZU EINEM NAZI? ODER DICH ALS "HALBER DEUTSCHER" ZU EINEM "HALBEN NAZI"?

ich hoffe, du verstehst worauf ich hinaus will, ich habe keine lust, auf einem freien server, auf dem alle jeglicher herkunft, sitte, sprache, religion, zocken können, dafür büssen zu müssen was irgendwelche ärsche vor 60 jahren verbrochen haben! ich sage damit nicht: dein server verkommt zu einem nazi-server.
auch wenn diese >bösen (nazi-) monster< "von den lieben guten braven menschen" vor den monitoren massenweise abgeknallt werden, so kommt leider doch schnell diese bild auf!
und ich finde, dieses falsche nazi-"kriegsbild" hat auf einem server wie deinem nichts zu suchen.
abgesehen davon: sicher, ich bin einer der wenigen "ausländer" auf einem us-amerikanischen server, aber wie würden alle anderen reagieren, wenn ich in den anderen waves, in denen auch englisch-sprechende soldaten vorkommen (wenn mich mein gehör da nicht getäuscht hat, und ich geh nicht davon aus, das man einen englisch-sprachigen sound irgendeinem standardmonster, luzi oder effi gegeben hat!) andauernd (auf englisch) sage: "ein scheiss ami hat mich gekillt!" wie schnell werde ich da wohl gebannt oder gekickvoted???? abgesehen davon, für mich ist das "invasion", "ausserirdische" und sonstige monster töten, abschlachten, was auch immer. auch wenn viele nazis monster waren, in unreal gehört dieser teil der geschichte nicht rein!

denk mal darüber nach.

amy

ps: to all others: feel free to translate it (wrong)...

TurkeyFromHell · Post by **TurkeyFromHell** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:52 pm

Directly from altavista babel fish.

I have my base, why I write YOU and on German I am too much "angepisst" over it that I differently cannot than on German!. one bases is the new patch. as you something said so similarly as "is it ready for the 3rd world war?", there ' I still nothing thereby thought, beautifully, perhaps "few" new monsters here, some new sounds there however which me then umgehauen themselves has was wave 17! I found it simply only hammergeil! cool! German "sounds"! and ultraharte young: -) I do not know, how you came on the idea whether it is because of it, which you of you said you is half German, and therefore this with flow let I found it to a few maps skirt-ends correctly, because die(se) wave(s) straight are not easy come however now the bitter aftertaste at history! it passes hardly still another map, in which possibly such an ignorant intolerant stupid A does not say....loch: "shit to Nazi has me gekillt" or "owing to this shit to f ### Nazi have I which white I...." and soon in each wave, in "my" young occur kotzt me on! why does someone deduce that those of all Nazi are? are the faces typical "Nazi"?? NO! is the uniform "Nazi" typical?? NO! are on the uniform swastikas?? NO! walk somebody "welfare Hitler!" ? NO! walk somebody "victory welfare"? NO! does any make the typical victory welfare hand movement from the soldiers? NO! thus: why are these deustch speaking, any uniformly carrying soldier Nazi? only because they speak German? in which kloake teach one US-KIDS sowas? and in all other respects: you say, you are a half German we have yourself already on "half" German on the server maintained (textchat), and, you carry one uniformly, the American, but therefore gehts not. you speak German and wear one uniformly, I speak German and write here on German in a "english American" forum. MAKES ME NAZI? OR YOU AS "HALF GERMANS" TO A "HALF NAZI"? I hope, you understand on which I outside want, I do not have desire, on a free server, on which all any origin, custom, language, religion, can zocken, to pay for to have which any asses before 60 years to have committed a crime! I legend thereby not: your server comes to a Nazi server even if these bad (Nazi -) monsters

TurkeyFromHell · Post by **TurkeyFromHell** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:02 pm

amy, even though babel fish sucks, i'm able to see that ur pissed off about how un-naziish the 'nazi' soldiers are, and by being merely german they are declared as nazi soldiers. first off: they're german soldiers, and the army of the nazi party made a large impact in the history of world warfare as it pertains to germany. second: some are russian so im told. third: joey didnt make the models to begin with. and last: i doubt anyone on the server pays enough attention to actually care whether they have swastikas etc, i never rly saw them as nazis, rather simply german soldiers although many ppls connotation of german soldiers running around trying to kill you as nazis. no1 thinks germans are nazis cuz there arent any left (ones now havto be neonazis

and thats not restricted to germans as the kkk isnt necessarily restricted to the US).

Post by **Amy Infless** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:43 pm

like i said... feel free to translate it (wrong)... this babelfish text really sucks and doesnt really reflect what i meant to say.

ats

TheMadDJ · Post by **TheMadDJ** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:15 pm

TurkeyFromHell wrote: second: some are russian so im told

The brown coats are the Russians

And I think as the models have come from Red Orchestra, which is a ww2 mod, then most people will refer to them as nazis sadly

|bah|Ariel · Post by **|bah|Ariel** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:03 am

TheMadDJ wrote:
TurkeyFromHell wrote: second: some are russian so im told
The brown coats are the Russians

And I think as the models have come from Red Orchestra, which is a ww2 mod, then most people will refer to them as nazis sadly

Dont think that Russian and German players thinks it is so good there soldiers on the monster side.

Why not make wave 19 with US. marines to slaughter.
(Irony.. dont want to offend anyone , just want them to think)

TurkeyFromHell · Post by **TurkeyFromHell** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:12 pm

well actually i think thats a pretty decent idea. while rather grotesque due to current US affairs that bush totally censored us up on, it would definately make it a completely even ball game. and i know ppl arent tryin to be racist w/ it but some ppl get offended easily :/ its like being racist :D you make fun of any race you want, as long as make fun of your own race at the same time

Mr_N_Pants · Post by **Mr_N_Pants** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:28 pm

I made my comments about the soldiers in game - once - and I will say it here. Once.

I personally don't care for them... this is a "Monster Invasion" server, and while some may argue that the Nazis, or at least the Nazi ideology, was monstrous, same for the communists under Lenin, we are shooting PEOPLE characters, not monster characters. I don't think they fit the theme.

Doesn't keep me from playing, I know things are constantly in development and review.

Anyway, that's my "o".

TurkeyFromHell · Post by **TurkeyFromHell** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:47 pm

cmon nappy just because the name is monster madness duznt mean we cant off a few ppl in the process :D

Quester115 · Post by **Quester115** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:01 pm

well...german, russian, soldiers, people, with guns, why do we have to put a nationality (or inject stereotypes) to them. edit the voices (they talk too much) and the textures a bit and make them the anonymous 'great enemy' the mass hordes that try to take over the world and secretly try to overthrow joeyzzz to take his server.
:arnold4: :snpr:

p.s.

TurkeyFromHell wrote:... :D you make fun of any race you want, as long as make fun of your own race at the same time

uhh...yeah, you do that, just post pictures of the scars when you get that quick lesson in ethics...

another p.s.
yeah...after reading your post again a bit more carefully(I don't speak German so a few translators, a book, and a helpful friend later)(and i hope i got the main ideas correct), I have to agree with you on most of the points you make.