Ambiguit reponses to post patch gameplay..

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Hows this server doin after the update?

Poll ended at Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:20 am

Dang yo! This joint is vicious! All these new powerful guns and Wands for everybody!!
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Er... Same to me I guess, don't really care...
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WTF??... This is way too easy with 20 people running around wit wands!
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Post by draegohn » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:27 pm

you know, i was thinking..

do you guys remember what it was like to be low-level? it was hard as heck. joey and others i have known some time who don't play a ton still die a lot <,,< he might be realizing things may not be as fun for those who have not gained much yet to be effective, so he increased things to give newer and/or low-level people a chance to do somethinga bit more well until they are strong enough.

i guess us who are higher level criticize things perhaps because we like strictness and a feeling of accomplishment after a very hard challenge...and to appreciate the very rare times good stuff has been acquired like the chest, or a wonder-summon weapon thats not so easy to get.

still..that darn magic pu should not materialize chests and keys i think. if anything, increase drop chance from monsters. many people with them die anyways and they get lost :P

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Post by Sesshyru » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:48 pm

Truest virtue of a king is one who has ascended from a humble pesant, understanding what it is to be at such a position and respect the new. Thoes who have not tend to be more conceited, not having the insight of such a vulnerable state. I agree with you Dr. Drae.. But even so the balance has shifted. We where doing beautifuly befor the SSR mini and I think will do just fine with out it, as well as the AK adding to the increasing number of "insta-gib" wepons should also be taken into consideration. Joey once said this was a server dedicated towards fun, but at the same time you were not "supost to win". And if they are to stay, I don't think throwing more wands at us will solve the problem.. Or am I wrong? Still searchin...

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Post by ZombieSlayer » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:39 pm

Ummm do you guys read the posts in the forums?

Joey increased the probability of getting the insta gib weapons, but cut their power down by half or more on most of them.

Yes the SSR mini is too powerfull in my opinion. I don't like the slower fire rates of the lady either. But oh well.

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Post by Ortega » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:11 pm

I wasn't saying sess that you were in this post. Go back and look at the post about people not getting a good weapon. Now look at the current treads that are going up. Its now talking about the to many wands. super weapons. It on the chat in game and on voice from what little I have played lately. All I was saying people need to stop saying the server is giving to much when we asked. I find it funny in a pathetic way and if you don't like it oh-well I guess I can say. If you want to take it as a personal strike then go head man. It wasn't just at your post but yours was the newest and in regards to summoning weapons to often or wands. I was just stating facts and if you want false stating comments then ok. I can do that also.
I wasn't jumping all over your post I do agree with the fact that to many people make the map a waste of time even though its easy points, its not fun when the big super guns are out for everyone. I was just stating that a lot of people just go done crying about not getting enough Super weapons, and now we are saying we get to much. Is that simple enough context without pushing you the wrong way sess?
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Post by TMoney96 » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:11 pm

Hmm, at first when I got a wand after the patch it shot like really slow and sucked, but now it seems to be back to normal. Now I think the only gun thats weaker is the lil lady. I do like the new stuff on the server. Its more exciting now! I have only seen wand spelled twice, but I do think that thing is stupid. On the other hand I like the magic pu a lot, the Powerup summoning is very cool, and even artifact summoning is pretty balanced, but the key and chest summoning is a little cheap. I was in a game the other day where 3 weapons chests were opened lmao!

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Post by draegohn » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:22 pm

sessh X} your words are so cute as you refer to me :}

well, lets see..indeed, the ssr mini is essentially the "screw you" weapon because each shot of the flurry coming out is essentially the same powered shot from the enhanced ssr, but with less ability to aim perfectly, and each shot coming out a bit slower. in a crowd of monsters or bigger enemies, it will make the kills no matter who wields it. it requires no skill at all, none. but the alt fire does, and alt fire needs to properly be used with certain monster types...though i don't see alt fire used that much when it needs to be. such monster types like smiths, or the enemies of wave 8, 12, 18, and 20. otherwise the wands and such will get you first as most of the shots miss since primary fire has such a random spread. frankly, i would like it removed, or perhaps have its vampability removed to have using it be risky, like the wand's primary fire.

enhanced ssr is a red wand. period. even though its damage and speed are like half that of that wand, it vamps, and it can allow to have rages on it as well, which can't be done with the wand or regular super shock rifle. this could stay without criticism if it would lose the rage and vamp, because being able to wop it can be of great help. or maybe a better idea is to have it lose vamp, be unwoppable (unless wop attained by chance), be infinite in ammo, but have a firing rate it does like it does with 2 infs. that way it can't be superb, but be very useable. or simply..make the super shock rifle woppable again and allow 2 infs on to fire fast, and no rageability or vampability.

the ak47. what a dull-looking gun. please, someone, retexture and add a few more mesh objects to make it look good at least! now, this is the new lady, without needing to say why...super strong and with an insane rate of fire. i hear the lady's rate of fire was causing server errors...how is this any different? it vamps, it allows rages, and when a map does not lag, it is the best weapon. but sheesh, its just a darn ak-47. now the lady has half the firing rate and much less damage, and a real odd sounding fire. i guess for balance, they wanted another powerful gun not in the weapons slot of the shock rifle, which houses turbo laser, lady, and wand already. using this takes some skill in aiming, like the wand, and the smaller projectiles makes eyeing the aim harder too. no splash damage either, which the lady had a small bit of. i admit, i like using it, but i liked the feel of the old lady..and like the sexy lady on the gun..it felt soft..the effect of its killer effect very striking.

i don't know what to think fully. i do feel we have too many superduper powered things now that have no fallbacks in using, thats my major issue. i shot into a wall with ak47 with damage 6 with no heal pu. didn't hurt me as much as i thought it would. if i did that with lady, i'd be ghosted before i knew that got me. instagib-like weapons that can vamp as fast as one fires..this loses challenge in the game. if things stay the same, i don't mind really.

as for the W-A-N-D thing, i believe it should remain, but have limits. magic pu unable to summon letters, and each letter has to show up once per map, but only once. this way it is not so easy to get and fosters more team communication with them. that way, the full-team wand giving will be a rare, but treasured event that can give an extra zeal to the game at such times.

as for weapon configurations beating others...i still have beaten high level players or been very close to beating them in score with the mp5 with each of their super weapon type. i beat a highly experienced player with razor bomb while they has ssr mini the other day too. it does all depend on how many slots are available to me, sesshy, and i don't suicide to purple anything up as i said i wouldn;t. i seem to be doing all right enough if mp is a + something at least :} when mp5 was not available after the update, i cried. well, on the inside. the assault rifle simply ran out of ammo in a minute or two and had such a weak base damage. now, with resupply 4, i can go up to wave 10 without needing an inf and shooting properly, albeit more reserved than finger on fire button every second.

i like challenge, i like difficulty, i like knowing when the chance for success is not high. this is was the initial reason i stayed on this server than just playing a few days. hard as hell and lovin every minute of it. ortega, axe, and others choose hard maps because they like it too, and my favorite times to play is late night/early morning when fewer players are on to make things more difficult.

we cannot stop evolving the server and not deny new, enjoyable guns either. some of the guns on the HTC servers that hickey, axe, biteme, and deadlykisses play on are real fun and not insane killers. i think if you get full loaded weapons skill, you get like 50 weapons, one of which is a wand, every moment. the krispy seemed cool as a high rapid fire and strong sniper rifle, the riot shotgun's alt fire is like a big bad daddy flak with such a pleasing effect and spread range. sentinels are a cheap way to fight and don't belong in invasion. anyways, there will be more guns in time i am sure, and we can't hold back some worthwhile ones.

true though, things as they are with some gun setups and th magic pu make it overall easier than it once was. and this has been my more in-depth analysis :}
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Post by TurkeyFromHell » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:40 pm

drae i think i should point out the alt fire for the mini ssr.... try it....

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Post by draegohn » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:50 pm

draegohn wrote: but the alt fire does, and alt fire needs to properly be used with certain monster types...though i don't see alt fire used that much when it needs to be. such monster types like smiths, or the enemies of wave 8, 12, 18, and 20. otherwise the wands and such will get you first as most of the shots miss since primary fire has such a random spread.
i did mention this and i do use it where i said it needs to be!

and i edited my post to make "ssr" "ssr mini" when speaking about mp5 versus the strong weps, in case you think i just added this in to not look stupid :P

i know you have a special bond to the ssr mini now, turkey. your retexturing of the beam certainly makes it look freaking great compared to how it used to be. i am not attacking it too too badly now, i am just saying its a bit too much in power :}

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Post by Sesshyru » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:50 pm

Yes I have read teh update, then I decided to test it out for my self. Put a dam5 and 2 single dam's on and you could never tell their was a nerf..

Ortega, I wasnt talking about what you said towards me, im talking about your deminer. This kind of conversation is what I was trying to avoid.

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Post by Amy Infless » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:31 pm

4-5 opend weaponchests in 2 games and all i hear was only: gimme wand, gimme lady, gimme ess...
where is the happy feeling to get a superweapon one time in 10 maps?
now we have 2-3 opend chests in 1 map, and all only love to play with instas, and it looks like it doesnt matter the damage ratio was slowed down. like i said in another post, i love to play with howie, mini-rl and shotty, but if the chest-holder says: oh sorry, i tossed them and they disapeared cause i had no use for it, where is the sense of opening a chest? i was pissed of that ignorance against other players...
if joey increased the possibilty to get superweapons more often to check for errrors, ok, thats one thing, but i hope this will be changed, or his post about instagib-weapons and a non-insta-monster-kill-server becomes a paradoxon...

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