I tried vanguard....it was alright(and ive tried alot of mmo's, so i have some idea what im talking about) It was definately graphics intensive, but i think ortega meant by his wow comment that he isnt really looking for any p2p(pay to play) games like vanguard, lotr, eq2,CoH/CoV ect....but correct me if im wrong, i currently have droped all my mmo accounts and want a new one to play.....waiting for Huxley, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer:Age of Reconning and Hellgate:London(last one if more of a diabloish game with a very developed multiplayer component, where you can pay for a overall more complete and updated experience). Huxley and Tabula Rasa are going to be mmo FPS/RPG. Huxley looks to be the more graphical and adult one, where tabula rasa is a bit less so but made by same people who did lineage/City of Heros/auto assault, So its got a pretty good backing. Ill stop there, later

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