Vote about the forums word censors

[SirBeast]

Anyways I will always believe that those people that cuss excessively are lacking in the intelligence department, or at the very least the manners department. It doesn't take a lot of brain power to not cuss.

So bowls don't be offended because nothing I said was directed towards you (or you beast). It was directed to the little kids that think it's cool to cuss and to those too ignorant not to cuss.

Since there are minors posting here Paint must abide by the obscenity laws and the child endangerment act laws just to cover his butt.

Thanks Zombie - even though I thought you felt this way, it's good of you to voice it for the others who might not have.

I agree with Syn about the whole bot/e-mail registration/code point. Very easy way to keep the bots out. Hell, I would even be willing to re-confirm the security code once every 3 months or so if that's what it took, if that was the actual problem.

I also understand about Painttt having to cover his/Joeyz arses on the law, but still I debate the validity/existence of that law. Unfortunately the only way to truly put that to the test is in a court of law, and by then it's usually too late, and I don't want to see Paint, Joey (or anyone else for that matter) have to foot the bill for a constitutional lawyer. Sure, the ACLU might help in such a matter, but you can't always bank on their help. They have enough on their hands fighting for the explusions for hair length in charter schools and such.

Paint is right in this though - when I registered, I agreed to have my posts and/or pulled when the content is not in compliance to the rules. Fine by me - I truly have no problem with that. Those are the rules here, and you have to abide by the rules of wherever you are. And ignorance of the rules is no excuse - try telling a cop that you didn't know the speed limit was 35 when he pulls you over doing 55. You're still going to get a ticket. My personal argument is based simply on my own opinion that I would like to be as uncensored as possible, and that the compliance to federal rules about what kids see in the forums should ultimately rest on their parents' shoulders - not mine, not Paint's, not Joeyz. I still believe that, legally, that is the case, but you saw my statement about that in the previous paragraph.

Sure people cuss when they're pissed, but there's also one other reason they do it - for the sake of humor. Try watching old school Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, hell, even Redd Foxx. Or just about any other standup comedian doing. They cuss for the reaction it gets from the crowd, which is usually laughter. They cuss to underline a point in a statement. Cussing, though it may seem ignorant to some, is still very powerful. Look at the following statements, and tell me which you think would convey greater emotion:

Go screw yourself! -or- Go F**k yourself!

Which of those do you think is going to get a more intense response/reaction?

As far as those who think that they have to cuss with every other word - well then I think that if they're not doing it out of anger, then they are probably just dumb.

In closeing, I would like to say F**K YOU, YOU F**KING F**KS!

just because it's funny.

[Ortega]

I with everyone. Who cares. I don't what I got me is the same as Hwsb and beast. Having someone tell me Im not intellegant when I'm really succesful for my age and where I live. that burned me in a sense and even before this I have been working hard to stop. I made a promise with my wife last month that I would try if she tried to stop smoking. I used to not even cuss but my wifes friends got me going again. But no one is going to call my that I'm short in itelligence
when they haven't even learned the way of the world. Most of the words that you are looking at I don't say. I have probelm with two words. its the S and F word in which the F. i'm not going to say I am a perfect citizen to the Country. Every person breaks the law and don't act like you don't. So therefor I'm going to break rules on a forum. Its a Give and take matter but what can you do. Close the forum. Someone will start a new one. No offense paint.

[TurkeyFromHell]

Ok with some guidance from my dad I am also brought to this fact. Why use swearing in the first place? It only takes a moment to think of a word other than swearing. Swearing just shows that you are incapable of speaking intelligently.

paint if ur anything like me, youl come to a point when you'll realize that this, along with the idea that swearing is bad in the first place, is simply something that has been propagandized into society for so long that it is generally accepted as an obvious truth. first off, swearing doesn't show that you're incapable of speaking intelligently, it just shows that you a. are accustomed to swearing, b. are indifferent towards swearing and therefore dont care if you throw out the occasional sprinkle or deluge or "censord"s, or c. just want to mess w/ ppl by 'rebelling' against a society in which swearing is generally viewed as wrong by any "upstanding" person over the age of 30 not living in a major city. usually its a or b

regardless of the reasons people take for swearing, there is nothing to prove that society is correct or even just in its assessment of such words.

• First off, swear words are exactly the same as other words: simply a combination of sound frequencies that we as humans are able to produce in order to communicate with others. Last i checked, sound (ignoring extremely high or low frequencies) never hurt anyone except for the possible insult, which can be done without swearing so swearing has little to no effect on it.

• Secondly, let's assume that these frequency patterns of ultimate evil, horrible speech, are indeed socially unacceptable. Well then, who said they were to begin with? who knows? except for words such as god, damn, hell (which i dont consider a swear though some people do, i could go on a separate rant on that alone), which came to be seen as inappropriate because of religious reasons obviously, NO ONE will EVER be able to give you a well defined clear cut reason that words such as s..t or f..k are considered bad.

now, s..t/f..k:
as for the former: (from wikipedia) "It is a native English word, but following the Norman Conquest, Norman, Anglo-Norman, French, and Latin terms for many common objects and bodily functions began to be seen as more distinguished than native words, and thereafter feces became the accepted English noun, to defecate became the accepted English verb, and shit was no longer used in polite company."
and the latter, "It is unclear whether the word has always been considered vulgar, and if not, when it first started to be considered vulgar. Some evidence indicates that in some English-speaking locales it was considered acceptable as late as the 17th century meaning "to strike" or "to penetrate." Other evidence indicates that it may have become vulgar as early as the 16th century in England, although neither set of evidence is inherently contradictory to the other, since many words have multiple connotations. The word became increasingly offensive over time because of its usage to describe (often in an extremely angry, hostile or belligerent manner) negative or unpleasant circumstances or people in an intentionally offensive way, such as in the term "motherf....r," one of its more common usages."

and so we see that these words are merely cast aside by society because of their usages, which has nothing to do w/ whether using them is a reflection of ones intelligence, social standing, morality, or anything else regarding his/her character EXCEPT for how they are ACCUSTOMED to talking or how they WANT to talk for whatever reason, and people who try to prevent their children or others from HEARING or READING such words is as pointless as saying "i'm going to start a campaign to get the word 'c0ck' banned because people use it inappropriately nowadays and i dont like that, and force every1 has to say either 'rooster' or 'penis' depending on their context"
-- ok so apparently it already is... whats next? jugs? balls? apparently ANYTHING that could possibly be sexual has got to go eventually... --

[ZombieSlayer]

I said I wouldn't waste my time on you turkey, but I must ask and state some things just out of curiosity.

You say that the reason people cuss is because it's what they hear (I'm assuming you mean the majority of the time).

So if it's only your friends that are cussing excessively and then you start, you are following the crowd/cussing because it's "cool". You don't want to feel left out by your friends if you don't cuss. OR you're too ignorant to realize how stupid it makes you and your friends sound.

But if your entire family, friends, teachers, co-workers, social network is cussing excessively, then I can see your point (and I won't waste anymore time on you). In that case I will reiterate that I feel sorry for your generation/social group as you won't go as far as you could had you taken the time to form intelligent sentences/conversations that don't consist of swearing.

Also this arguement has become moot because you've already agreed to abide by the censoring of your posts.

Now don't get me wrong, I am all for freedom of speech (it is a passion of mine in "real" life) and I do whatever I can to protect my/your right to say whatever the hell we want whenever we want. I absolutely HATE political correctness and wish that the population would wake up and realize that we are slowly losing our rights to the pussies of the world.

I don't recognize that certain words are "bad" or "wrong" and I don't give a damn if I offend anyone (unless I consider that person a friend like I do with a few folks here/on the server) and I've gotten into a few physical fights because of what I have said.

However I also am smart enough to realize that life is different on the internet and that we have to allow ourselves to be on forums where censorship is in place. I can contain myself and follow the rules when I choose to or have to and don't have a problem with forums that use censorship.

Oh and I will also point out that I never said that I don't cuss. I know I do but I do it moderately, and rarely cuss around women and kids. Why? Because I was brought up to be a gentleman and to set an example for everyone.

If you're so insecure that you think I'm taking a dig/shot at you with that last bit.....then you are truly pitiful.

[TurkeyFromHell]

zombie the only reason you disagree with this is the exact same reason you just stated: you were raised in an environment where swearing was looked down upon, and therefore look down upon it yourself. you just proved my point about the whole 'the way you're used to talking' thing.

[Nard]

Ok with some guidance from my dad I am also brought to this fact. Why use swearing in the first place? It only takes a moment to think of a word other than swearing. Swearing just shows that you are incapable of speaking intelligently. I am also going to bring up the fact of people getting angry because their posts are being edited by symbols of censorship. Well heres is what I have to say to that.

I know what your saying paint, but tell me how cheesy this sounds.

You know how sometimes the movies with to much cussing gets put in a form where they tone down the cussing some so it sounds like im gonna kick you in the beehine instead of ass? In my opinion, how can you take the time to find a word to replace the cuss word you want to say when you are enraged. Now, the people who cuss because they think there cool? Inappropiate behavior. So is cussing all together, Cussing just makes us relieve ourselves.

For instance, member how pissed off I used to get you? . Well don't you think you wanted to cuss all the words you could think of at my face and beat the shit outta me?

[ZombieSlayer]

zombie the only reason you disagree with this is the exact same reason you just stated: you were raised in an environment where swearing was looked down upon, and therefore look down upon it yourself. you just proved my point about the whole 'the way you're used to talking' thing.

No my mom didn't like cussing, my dad didn't give a damn either way. Most of my friends cussed a lot and I chose not too. I realized how stupid it made them appear to others and gave up trying to get them to stop after a year or so.

I had made up my own mind from observing how people react to those that cuss alot.

But anyways I won't change your mind and I don't care. You don't stand a chance at changing my mind and you shouldn't care either.

So although I still don't like you much, I might waste some more of my precious time on you from time to time

[TurkeyFromHell]

zombie the only reason you disagree with this is the exact same reason you just stated: you were raised in an environment where swearing was looked down upon, and therefore look down upon it yourself. you just proved my point about the whole 'the way you're used to talking' thing.

No my mom didn't like cussing, my dad didn't give a damn either way. Most of my friends cussed a lot and I chose not too. I realized how stupid it made them appear to others and gave up trying to get them to stop after a year or so.

I had made up my own mind from observing how people react to those that cuss alot.

But anyways I won't change your mind and I don't care. You don't stand a chance at changing my mind and you shouldn't care either.

So although I still don't like you much, I might waste some more of my precious time on you from time to time

well aren't you all high and mighty in doing so. the only reason the people you 'observe' don't like cussing is because they're exactly like you, and they developed the distaste in the exact same way so congratulations you're a sheep on one side of the fence and im a sheep on the other ... i forget, could u remind me what post made us not like each other?

[hwsb]

wow zombie.. i was going to refute your whole "insecurity" statement, but turkey managed to point out your argument's entire fallacy.. how does that feel? :finga: :hwsb2:

[TurkeyFromHell]

wow zombie.. i was going to refute your whole "insecurity" statement, but turkey managed to point out your argument's entire fallacy.. how does that feel? :finga: :hwsb2:

awwww, ty bowls ur so sweet :<3: