An Idea: team vs team invasion
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An Idea: team vs team invasion
Ok so I have been thinking lately, and I realize that I DO care too much about getting 1st place, and I tend to be a censored about it sometimes. Now, I just had an idea that would make things like having the highest score, getting the best weapon and powerups etc. less important. Two team invasion. RED vs BLUE. Imagine, people would be more likely to give an infinity powerup to someone on their team who has none when they already have one. It seems like a few people always get 2 infs at the start of the game while everyone else has to ask for them for the next few waves. Also, it would make it more exciting. The winning team could get extra exp, which would make being a low level who cant kill anything a bit easier. And of course it would give more diversity to the server. I dont know, would anyone else be excited to try this? Obviously someone would have to make the mod, but in my view it would be well worth it!
- Amy Infless
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nice idea, i hope you imagine not a combination with tdm..
but, i bet there are tooo many problems...
and btw, "the better pu`s".... like you said, some have 2 infs from start
and some ask for hours... same will be here. it will start to be sh#t because its like in evry team-vs-team-game, esp in ut, if all good fraggers/runners/defenders/aimers are in one team and others have only the noobs then its boring. the same will happen here, if 8 players in blue have all infs from start and reds dont have infs then more and more will leave because it makes no sense...same is with the double-tripples and lighnings, if one team has luck to get all, other team has no chance, so, where is the chalenge?
to make this fair, all need to have 1 inf from start. lighning and damages are disabled. the next problem, the player-levels, if all 200+ are in one team and in other are only <50 it will be short fun for the low-level-team. to fix this you need something
like a "superteam-balancer"-mutator, like it exists in ut2k3, which can be
modified with many if-then-possibilities, but be sure this will be horrible because it will force teamchange players when new players join or leave,
or if players reach scores or if someone is on a "killing-spree", while others have bad luck and hit nothing...
example: if levels are good balanced, and now a level 250 joins a team in which are a bit more low-levelers, it will force 1 or 2 low-levlers to change to other team, but teamchange means dieing and crying, cause these 1-2 players will lose all stuff... and if the highlevler join a better leveld team then a higher leveld player need to die and go into other team...
and if you are this player, and you teamchange/die while you wanted to reload your weapon.... this will happen so much so after 2 times you do not recognice anymore in which team you are and toss your stuff to the wrong teammates...
we tested that on a full 6:6-br-server in 2k3... more than 30 (!!!) teamchanges in 15 minutes...removed after 2 maps....
so, this will not be easy to fix all these problems...
i had long time ago another idea about team-inv, but it has to do more with other gametypes like dm, tdm, tam, br, ctf..., so i think i make an extra topic for that....
amy
but, i bet there are tooo many problems...
and btw, "the better pu`s".... like you said, some have 2 infs from start
and some ask for hours... same will be here. it will start to be sh#t because its like in evry team-vs-team-game, esp in ut, if all good fraggers/runners/defenders/aimers are in one team and others have only the noobs then its boring. the same will happen here, if 8 players in blue have all infs from start and reds dont have infs then more and more will leave because it makes no sense...same is with the double-tripples and lighnings, if one team has luck to get all, other team has no chance, so, where is the chalenge?
to make this fair, all need to have 1 inf from start. lighning and damages are disabled. the next problem, the player-levels, if all 200+ are in one team and in other are only <50 it will be short fun for the low-level-team. to fix this you need something
like a "superteam-balancer"-mutator, like it exists in ut2k3, which can be
modified with many if-then-possibilities, but be sure this will be horrible because it will force teamchange players when new players join or leave,
or if players reach scores or if someone is on a "killing-spree", while others have bad luck and hit nothing...
example: if levels are good balanced, and now a level 250 joins a team in which are a bit more low-levelers, it will force 1 or 2 low-levlers to change to other team, but teamchange means dieing and crying, cause these 1-2 players will lose all stuff... and if the highlevler join a better leveld team then a higher leveld player need to die and go into other team...
and if you are this player, and you teamchange/die while you wanted to reload your weapon.... this will happen so much so after 2 times you do not recognice anymore in which team you are and toss your stuff to the wrong teammates...
we tested that on a full 6:6-br-server in 2k3... more than 30 (!!!) teamchanges in 15 minutes...removed after 2 maps....
so, this will not be easy to fix all these problems...
i had long time ago another idea about team-inv, but it has to do more with other gametypes like dm, tdm, tam, br, ctf..., so i think i make an extra topic for that....
amy
hmm, how would something like that work, this team-vs-team invasion? i mean, can you hurt the other team, or is is just red and blue vs monsters? it does sound interesting though, but may kind of result in greater selfishness of pus for not just oneself, but the team on is on. i like to just toss my excess summon weps and pus to people who are gathered around. i don't want to have to check for colors, or then get blamed for giving pus to other team peoples @,,@
- Amy Infless
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well, the "teamwork is the key" will there become more real than we have now, because if you want kill monsters and try to be no.1, you can go for your own with some good pus and a good wop, but iff you want beat the other team, not with your highest score, but with the teamscore, then you have to do more teamwork... but well... i bet this will become a chaotic teamspeak-chatroom then to share all the pus fast enough....
nothing for me :-)
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nothing for me :-)
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- ZombieSlayer
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Interesting idea, doubt it would work for all of the reasons already mentioned.
Team v team invasion would not enhance teamwork and would cause rifts between the existing players.
There would be a lot more whinning about "you stole my powerup" than there currently is. OR you'd have your own teammates yelling at you for either not getting a pu, or tossing a pu and the other team getting it.
Team v team invasion would not enhance teamwork and would cause rifts between the existing players.
There would be a lot more whinning about "you stole my powerup" than there currently is. OR you'd have your own teammates yelling at you for either not getting a pu, or tossing a pu and the other team getting it.
I am with Zombie. But there is a Imaginative way of doing it.
First the Team Vs Team won't work because you would have to have three teams. But if a server was full and we all desided on staying we could look at the people and break them up and then find out what team wins 9v9. It seems corney in a sense but you would have to add the teams pionts up. But thats they only way I see we can do it. Because far as I know Monters are on one team and we are on one. But If we could do that for like 2 days. That would he hella cool to have a TvT Invasion.
First the Team Vs Team won't work because you would have to have three teams. But if a server was full and we all desided on staying we could look at the people and break them up and then find out what team wins 9v9. It seems corney in a sense but you would have to add the teams pionts up. But thats they only way I see we can do it. Because far as I know Monters are on one team and we are on one. But If we could do that for like 2 days. That would he hella cool to have a TvT Invasion.
Later all!
Yeah it would be fun to try. Just think, strategy would be way different, stealing pups would be necessary to win. The team with better pups would be likely to win, along with the team with better weapons and who gets more summon pups. There definitly would still be people on the same team bitching but still, if people like me want to win, they would be more likely to give a good teammate a inf when the teammate has 0 and you only have one, or a damage or heal powerup when you could use a few more but a teammate has none.