"dont kill me from behind all the time!"

[Amy Infless]

do you know that phrase? ("dont kill me from behind all the time!") ???


we love to have LAN-partys, 4-8 players most time, playing games like
ut99/2k4, cod1/2/4, joint ops, "sauerbraten" (google it, free downlaodable egoshooter, lookin a bit like ut99...) etc...

the problem is, except ut with da/assault/ons/inv (in humans vs humans AND/OR humans vs. bots) or joint ops (humans vs bots) are playable in co-op-mode, most only work in deathmatchmode (even ctf in human vs human its for most (of our LAN-players) "only" DM....

so everyone is more or less good or bad in playing, some never played online, some only played games like farcry or consolegames and think, because of beating everyone in tekken on a playstation makes them heroes and be able beating everyone in pc-LAN-games too...

it comes what must come with time: the whiners

"aw, where have you been, from where u killed me?" - "i was behind u" - "
he a$$hole, stop killing me from behind all the time its unfair..."
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"f... you, i said i dont kill me from behind" - "i wasnt behind, i was left side from u in the window" "f..you, dont kill me from the side anymore!" "-he what should i do? jump in front of you so you can see me and tell you: now shoot me?? or should i say: hi, im behind you, turn around so i can shoot you in the face???"
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you see, its not easy with some of these players... and ut and jointops getting old for "good" coop-games, so heres my question:

anyone knows some good egoshooters, which can be played in coop-mode,
(doesnt matter if humans vs. bots, we prefer that more so our problem-players doesnt kill each other in reallife....) but without stupid bots in the same team which only run in front of us to "steal the kill or "save us" from beeing killed and got killed instead [and game over] or we teamkill them cause of that [and game over again]...)

just a good example is "perfect dark". whoever played that addicted on then64-console knows the coop-mode was fantastic, but till now we never find anything else like that (i mean, free missions, everyone can go allone in every place of the map whenever they want, and complete the mission, doesnt matter if some players are killed or not. not the stupid straight missions, player 1 has to do this, player 2 must do that and if one player die -> game over...)


btw, in a view weeks a new game will be launched called "borderlands",
with coop-mode and rpg-system, ingamevideos, trailers lookin nice, but till
now i didnt find any site, what machine is needed to run this game (except you need a directx-gfx-card and soundcard...)



ats

[Analog]

It's old, but we always loved playing the org C&C Red Alert for that same reason, all the humans took on the bots (then when the bots were dead it was human on human

[IIO]

Amy, even if it is not co-op, why not try urbanterror? "The circles" who i attend online, always speak well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Terror

I really do not like, the graphics are really too old for my tastes,
but a lot of people like UrT for the characteristics of the game.

[Amy Infless]

@ analog

"egoshooter"... we played the 3d-ego-variant of c&c (renegade i think was
it) some days, but it gets starting a bit boring cause we more often have
4-5 players than 6-8, and only with 4 vs 4 we had most fun in that game
but not allways all 8 or more others have time at one and the same
weekend... :-/



@IIO

the main important thing is coop, in our point of view coop has absolutely
nothing to do with "teambased" or "teamorientated" games, even when
you have to work in a team or human team vs bots. just because of
playing in a team doesnt mean you have to work with the team or as a
team!

it should be free for everyone to go allone and finish the story, or go with
the team and finish the story, or find out when its really needed to play as
a team, and when its better everyone in the team works as freelancer.
thats why i made that example in the first post.

just another description:

look at games like farcry, call of duty, splintercell, deus ex, any 007-bond-
game, metal gear solid etcetc..

every game has a storymode for only ONE player. we search for games
like these games, but with the possibilty of storymode can be completed
with more than 2 up to xx human players...