Ambiguit reponses to post patch gameplay..

[Sesshyru]

I dissagree with that post. This game was brutal when I started out, no super wepons or anything and I didn't kno what a powerup was or even how to put it on a wepon. Thoes days where complete ecstasy compared to now when even newbs hold wands. The solution might not be to hinder the higher lvl players, but to listen to them. In the experence of the higher ups, it is that you have had to work for your wepons and so forth. So to be givin them so easy is a slap to their face that their previous 200+ lvls where a lie. Listining to lower lvl players has never brought any game any good, simply due to the lack of 'wisdom' to be offerd as support for the decision. As for the situation, theirs nothing wrong with giving a 'taste' of power, but thats all that some need to go corrupt.

Id also like to address Dr. Drae. I have sugested, while Joey was in the game, of inviniting some kinda boss scenario or even a gangster squad that are harder and smarter and faster than normal enimes and not just flood us with more wands. But this idea was shot down as it conflicts with other servers and their same ideals. But I have sugested a map that CJ_Blaster said was very unique and might be in the works and will add difficulty.

I believe that power isnt the answer, but skill. I can't speak for others, but it is beyond satisfying when your competing with others using your own skill (The pimped out MP5) rather than wanding things in 1 or 2 hits. Something that you have had to build and attest your name to such as Dr. Drae's play style and Crayolas enginuity and Von's followthrew, in my eyes, is a lot more satesfiying than everybody geting a wand or some other over powerd instagib...

When I see a empty canvas, I invision a plane of posablity...

[Amy Infless]

...From this PoV, I would say that if the higher-level players don't want their superweapons they can toss them to the lower-level players...... In the end we all want that 1000xp, don't we?...

"if" ???
name me one, really, only one "highlevel"-player, who dont want his superwep.! it looks like evrey high-levler is going to buy wand as fast as possible, so they go for their own exp. and dont care about the winning-1000exp.
esp when "some special wellknown" highlevel-players leave in wave 20
without having a general prot.fault or critical error, just beeing pissed about beeing dead in first seconds of wave 20, and not in first 3 places, and because of a "lowlevler" with a "simple" loaded rocketlauncher, who is last player, "and cant win with that wep" in their eyes, is still saving the day with winning the map. those who leave dont care about the winning-1000exp. they do care more for own highscore. esp when they need around 100.000 to level, the 1000win-exp is nothing against those exp. which a highlevler can get with a good superweapon (and i mean superwep. and not mp5 because i only see "this" when "they" use a superwep.......)


and btw, sure, im "only" level 209, but with all those superweps around me it feels like beeing level 50 and running around and not knowing what the hell is happening. only if i press F1 at end of game and it shows me
i am in top 5 or sometimes top3 with a rl or flak or bio, it tells me, ok, looks like i must be a higher leveld player....

ats

[SirBeast]

Well, there have been occassions I have seen where "Wand" is spelled out more than once. In that case, many players will end up with more than one wand - say, for example, they converted the first "Poison Magic Wand +3" into a WoP, and the second they receive is simply a "Magic Wand", they will toss the second to another player who might have come in late and not have one (such as HWSB did for me last night - thanks Bowls!). Of course, that situation can reverse, where the second wand might have a larger "+" bonus, resulting in it too being turned into a WoP and the first being tossed to a LLP.

There have also been multiple occassions when I was using, say, a converted "(weapon) of Rejuvination +10". If I then receive a Magic Wand, or a Howitzer, or the like, that is NOT Rejuvination +10, I will keep the WoP I was using and give up the superweapon to an LLP, simply because I don't want to sacrifice the slots - ESPECIALLY since we can now only get the wrenches back by dying.

I do believe there are some players out there - now that retention is working correctly and staying on the weapon through the whole map - that are hoarding WoPs and loading them up. There are very few occassions where this is excuseable in my book (such as I had the other day, with a converted Minelayer of Rejuv. +10 and a Little Lady, on the LegoLand map (mind you I didn't get the lady until wave 19 or 20). But if I see someone ask for fireball one wave and razor bomb the next, or a miniSSR PU the I am going to be especially cautious to give that player those powerups, as I will be suspicious that they are hoarding, and might very well ask that player to turn over one of those weapons to me, since I will then give them to someone who might actually NEED them. Being greedy doesn't help win maps.

On that note, same goes for "Trading" powerups. The vast majority of players on this server give their PUs freely - so don't go asking for one if you'll only give one up in trade. Someone probably really needs that INF powerup and nobody has the razor bomb you're looking for, else they probably would have given it to you if they weren't using it themselves. I know it's not "against the server rules", but it's NOT good teamplay, and if I catch a player doing this they will be personally banned from EVER receiving powerups from me on any occasssion. I know this isn't necessarily good teamwork on my part, but then again, it's not good teamwork on theirs, so IMHO a taste of their own medicine is a good order.

TEAMWORK IS THE KEY

[Ortega]

I have given ladies away even though I was using a flak. I also have given you Amy a Combat Shotgun when I had a flak. The combat was even better then the Flak and I tossed a lady of 7 extra away to drae and many other times a other players. I'm a level 223 but I'm not sure if that is high or not!

[draegohn]

normally, i usually do keep the higher powered weapons for myself since i have this feeling that if i hold it, the chances for a win are better. however, sometimes certain maps make other weapons better to use than even wand, enhanced ssr, ak47. like smaller and more confined maps..the best to have could right be the combat shutgun since its alt-fire with lingering effect really can take out the mobs. i have often given others this weapon on such maps even if i have just a laser rifle. i guess it depends what kind of mood i am in too, since i feel more accompishment using a weapon that requires skill of aim.

many times when i summon nicer weapons than what i am using, i won't dump all pus on like a rocket launcher of power 10 with retention, even if i am using enhanced ssr power 2. i will sacrifice many pus i could use for myself so that when i return, i have the better gun to give another. but anyways, once i suicide too, the pus will be picked up by others anyways.

i try often to hook up lower level players in this manner, or someone i know who has recently come in and having little.

[+SaiN+]

Since the patch update I have been seeing a bit too many super-weapons so far.. I'm all for lowering the damages to avoid all the insta-gibbing scenario that's going around. =\ I find it a tad annoying especially since I prefer to actually avoid those kinds of weapons unless I'm looking to score big. Which doesn't matter anyway because I rarely get summon power-ups and/or I'm a nice guy and just simply don't play the 'every man for himself' deal and slap on a SS powerup on wave 1 and hoard..

[Sesshyru]

So is this it? Most people feel that the "super weapons are disrupting game play?

[draegohn]

my main bulk is with the ssr mini. i have been in a game where there were 4 recently. i had one of them. its just..too damn easy to get compared to anything else. it should stay, but i think it should be summon only. not in chest, not by pu..just summon luck. some people get magic pu and wait for it to come around, others obsess about getting high + or power minis in hopes they get the pu. some people are now leaping/transing for every single energy pu thinking thats the ssr pu. it alters the gameplaying too much.

i think super weapons should have the same chance of summon as wand and lady did in the past, and more mini rls, shotguns, laser rifles than super weps by chance. things that are still strong and useable, but not near instant killer of the tough monsters. and no super lucky to spawn chests and keys...thats just..bleh. its taking the special feeling out of the rarity there once was, as you have stated sessh.

W-A-N-D can still stay, but letters not being able to be summoned from magic pu/super lucky..whichever brigns them about..i am not sure myself which does it.

[banich]

i gotta say i agree with the overall concept of what sess is saying. just for the simple fact the game got way easier in getting whatever you want. its way to easy to get a super weapon, to me its easier to get a wand then another else.

the magic pu is was over powered to me, i seen way to many special weapons chests open up and ppl hoarding pus and weapons i'm sure. its their right i know, but still its about team work, and if one person can support themselves there is no point of anything. i mean i had the ssr mini, which to me is just as powerful as the wand if not more and easy to get. since their no random chance from summon or waiting for a chest.

the w-a-n-d is good but should be like other ppl say one chance only during the round for each letter

and yes the monster spawning with wands and the crack deemers are more annoying, if half the team has super weapons they still don't add up to much.

and even if the monster ai is smart and can chase now that isn't doing much in challenging of things.

i do they were talks of boss and i saw them real quick dragons, which we prolly need more of.


i say get rid of the ssr pu or make weapon summon or even chest
get rid of the magic pu that summons chest and keys all together
and add some harder monsters with either more tactics and go after one person or something, with out being aggro or changing their spawning rates and health just for the simple fact it be more challengly

P.S. my grammer and spelling suck so good luck reading this

[SirBeast]

Simply put, if you think it's too easy, quit yer whining and go somewhere else and play.

While playing this weekend, half - YES HALF - of the invasion maps I played on this server bugged out/crashed after wave 18, which REALLY pisses me off when we're so close to winning a map - ESPECIALLY when it happens in Wave 20. So I don't care if you think it's "Too Easy" because we don't get the 1000xp half the time anyhow.

And besides, if it WERE too easy, we'd be winning EVERY map, which is clearly not the case - asked those that lost Mario in wave 18 last night.

Sorry, it's not "too easy" unless you can win EACH AND EVERY map with over 1/2 of the players surviving every time.

Simply put, I'm sick of you whiners pissing and moaning. Go play somewhere else for chrissake and bitch there, because we don't want to hear it. No use of coming to this server if all you're going to do is bellyache about it. We don't need you, we don't want you - go the hell away. You're ruining our game because it isn't exactly how you want it to be.

And if you think it's too easy - DON'T ASK FOR POWERUPS! You won't see me giving them to you anymore just so I can listen to you whine about how this server too easy.