Suggestion for Suicide option!

[draegohn]

there are no worries. cadmium, you were given baseless threat, which should not be tolerated. i was on playing this morning and asked joey if suiciding is bad in any way for server performance or if one can face discipline for it. he was like "wtf" essentially, and he says if someone wants to suicide every single wave, they can.

[General-Chainz]

there are no worries. cadmium, you were given baseless threat, which should not be tolerated. i was on playing this morning and asked joey if suiciding is bad in any way for server performance or if one can face discipline for it. he was like "wtf" essentially, and he says if someone wants to suicide every single wave, they can.

Really thas good news to hear if ti came from joey. i was there when "WebAdmin" threatned Cadmium with the week long Banning.I too was like wtf? I suicide quite alot myself sumtimes for the wrenches sumtimes to get rid of my negative weapons other times its jus habit (Ive lost so many summons accidently suiciding).Ok if it does cause Lag issues Suiciding ok I will find another way other then typing "Suicide". But lets forget about the supposed lag issue for a second(Not saying that its not true).If you suicide it only hurts your score and possibly u might have worse weapons then you started with not only that your chancing weapon glitch and possibly you may not spawn next wave(happen a few times here and there).
Being how I usually hit 2nd or 3rd place usually. Me I am a MP5 Whore I will stick with it until I either get a better mp5 or if I find a razor or blast fireball PU'S I will usually switch to 1 of them. lately I been going for Bio and turbo laser.the only weapon that I usually ever get maxxed out my MP5 I take my time with that gun and improve it ever way possible that I can. Most of my other weapons are usually +5 or like dra said -3.Its not like when you suicide you magiclly get better Wops if I suicide thas more points for lower lvls and im a level 224 dead so that makes it easier for some lower levels also.

So if Typing "Suicide" which is coded into the game and part of the game is terms of disciplinary action and causes lag issues why is it still enabled?

The Magic Weapon maker that is a good idea to make it buyable you only get about 2 chances with it usually not infinite. That and if sumone could fix the MP5 code so its tossable that would help me alot that would end alot of my suiciding I hate starting with a mp5 of slowfoot-5 not a good start to the match

I was the highest leveled player on the WoHClan invasion server till I quit there and came here. I also used to play alot of Reaper's Bane Geisha's Onslaught RPG. I got sum talent jus need to get the Pu's and super weapons down now :D

On another thing here
We all play together almost everyday we all know almost everyone here
true sum of us are a little shorter tempered than the rest of us and others jus dont communicate with peeps
My point here is its just a game its NOT a real INVASION so dont get all huffy and puffy sumone took your heal there will be more.Yes I know it was yours and it makes you mad but I believe I heard joey say it the best "THE PU'S ARE FOR THE PLAYERS" I never seen any ones name on that PU
and if I have spare stuff I either ask if sumone needs it or I will throw it into a group of peeps.
Voting on maps around here is ridiculous at times also To me I dont care either way whatever map wins is cool (unless its the default map we played 20 times that day). I just wish peeps would realize its MAJORITY vote if majority wanna play CB well CB it majority wants invasion well invasion it is.I didnt vote for Bush yet he is our president Majority won I lost thing is I cant type exit in the console :D . Jus be fair dont whine jus vote like normal people and live with the outcome

Wow this is getting long I know I might be rambling a little but this is it after this
Any top scoring players like Drae,Cad,Crayon,Me,Merc,Nard etc etc
the ones that hit the top of the score board everytime. I believe strongly that no one is cheating cause I know im not and I can score jus as much as Cad or Drae almost any day if I apply myself But none of us should have to explain our UT background to anyone explaing how we got so many levels so fast . example Drae said last post I think cad got good cause he took on godlike bots for a few months.Thas good Nice Job Cad I couldnt of done it but we shouldnt ave to explain how we got skill or "The moves".
NOW tips and tricks A helpful walk through yeah I agree we can help you with that . i jus ont think its right to attack someone on a forum saying they jumped up in levels too fast when no one else has .Some people jus have more time, skill, patience,nerves to build their abilities Not saying everyone else sucks (Lol I suck if it wasnt for awareness I prolly wouldnt get any kills) people are not built the same we all think diffrent therefore we all buy diffrent level points and use diffrent weapons. I jus ht level 224 last night and I jus upped my DR and DB from 350 each too 400 when alot of you are trying or did maxx it already.

[General-Chainz]

that will be coming out in paperback next month

[Cadmium]

That's maessage seems just about right in length general chainz, you should see some of the messages me and drae have been exchanging, they're practically essays. And ya I played the sinlge player campaign on the hardest level possible, there's no logical reason for it really, I mean it didn't help me playing against other people in DM, ONS...(people are too unpredicatable, but bots are...) just self satifaction. But It's not worth it though, it's pretty frustrating.

My point about that was really about my stubborn/obsessive/ determined nature.

[General-Chainz]

yeah your right people are unpredictable and bots usually are.But this is invasion where we fight monsters arent they basically...bots? Of course joey suped em up last I checked i wasnt a monster (Maybe a fudge pop). Not trying to be mean but jus pointing that out.

[Ortega]

I always see you with a Summoned Weapon Cad. Not trying to say your bad or good. But I will be honest, if you always use a RL+2 or Flak of 1 of any sort they how they hell you scoring so high because there isn't that much slots and I know when your the last alive your killing the monsters like nothing and they are all based on your level.


But Joey the another night was telling people not to suicide and if you did you were going to lose your weapon. FFS lets not change our story line. One day its "NO>>>>>" the next its ok. This makes no sense and yeah there is still a error in the Wrenches but not many people know it. Like I said to get people to stop suiciding give them a set amount of wrenches if we can. Like 2 or 3 wrenches per MAP. I dont see a need to gold every damn thing that is a high number. You can't use two guns.

I do like Cad idea and i know it was brought up before. On the fat rare ass occastion that I do get a Summoned Weapon like a Wand, Laser, hmmmm what they hell is the super weapon...oh---AK-47 which I have only used once its a 1 if I'm lucky. I will say I get Frag Gernades and NO they are not improved like I was told and they still sucks. To be honest I actaully have to think of the summoned super weapons now since I only get Frag Gernades and Mini Rocket Launcher now. Shit give me better luck so I can atleast get the Avril more often please!. That way I can use Cad's idea and Pump that AV up to a 5

[draegohn]

i have no idea what makes you guys thing caddy suicides often to purple things (related to ortega avril 5 pumpup comment ) i have played with cads much and i see him suicide 1 or 2 times at the very most, kind of like myself on a map.

so how about criticizing me now, where i have an rl power -1 with flare and still outdo the rest. even yesterday on a map i had an rl power 1 with fireball and beat out two high level players with kills amounts who both were with ssr mini.

rl weapons and those with splash damage accumulate greater kills overall, especially in smaller maps and especially on waves 17 and 19 where splash damage kills army guys better than any other wep except wand and enhanced ssr. rl with spread and downwards shooting takes these boetches down well, as an added piece of advice.

i have talked to cadmium more off server and indeed he has become my equal, having watched me and listened to my strategies and applying them well. now, because of that, he shares the burden of knowing what its liked to be given the bad attention for no reason! anyways, rate of summonings is the same, for him, me, and all others. i guess it simply is of matter of getting that pu. frankly, i am happy to get flare, fireball, or blast cannon these days since summoning good stuff is not as giving at it used to be. but hey, mini rl and combat shotguns are great if acquired :}

[draegohn]

oh, and back to the suicide thing again...cadmium did say excessive suiciding in server rules is forned upon actually..i will have to take a look again to find that. but really, one or two suicides a map is nothing at all compared to certain peoples who keep doing it and doing it.

and as many of you know by experience, sometimes even suiciding once just by chance can leave one weaponless for some mysterious reason. that is a reason i do it so very little. but still, joey said suiciding is fijne overall, and the way cadmium was threatened by the mystery admin is a sign of some not-so-good things resurfacing :/

[cJBlast]

Ok, Let me give you guys a little insight on the Suicide issue.
To start with the reason its there is if you get in a bad spot in a map
and an admin is not around to ghost you out. Its not there to use to get
rid of your bad weapon and try to get another, You guys have to remember
this is a game of chance. That means its a roll of the dice as to if you get
a good weapon or a bad weapon. That is why we put the wrenches in the game.

It is also an exploit that can also cause errrors on the server.
I look at it as kindda cheating, Are you going to go off yourself everytime something
in life goes wrong??, No!!, you make the best of it and keep trying till something better
comes along, If it were up to me it would be turned off. I have never in all my years
of UT typed in suicide.

Until the Exploit is fixed and people keep trying to use it. we will start kicking or banning
people we see using it. That goes for using combo speed with speed 5 or SS also. The only reason
people use it is to steal power ups or to try and use the exploit. Either way its cheating.
And whats the glory being at the top if you have to cheat to get there?

So it has been posted, If an admin sees you are using Suicide too often or for the wrong reason,
Do not be surprised if you get kicked or banned

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As to answer the next post on the forum. Yes we will be making the blue wrench
fix more of the guns.

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Cadmium wrote :
"I wanted to suggest that if at all possible the RPG Magic Weapon Maker be made a buyable artifact,
perhaps something costly or a high level perk. Especially with all the terrible summons,
it'd be good to have howizter or bad combat shotgun made into something powerful."
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Well to be honest, Thats not a bad idea. I will see what we can do about that.


Thanks for your coorperation.
cJ

[draegohn]

cj, after seeing this thread started a couple days ago, i logged in to play, and joey and chuckles were both on. so i asked joey about it..if suiciding is really seen as a bad thing and worthy of punishment. he said to me that any punishment that should come from it is simply loss of points for suicide...and that unknown risk of losing guns through denial's occasional issues. he says people should have the option to suicide to get better guns, that is why suiciding in rpg invasion has been set up so guns are not lost through the denial (and retention pu here.) i would speak to him about this further perhaps since that is wht he relayed to me o..o

anyways, let's say in the end, it becomes punishable. what decides when action be taken? for instance, let's bring up times i suicide during my normal gameplay. i will enter a game, and start playing and gathering weps to see what i get. hopefully, i like picking up bio/flak/rl wops, or at least those with a few + rpg magic status. i use my mp5 for awhile, and if it is a wave from 1 to 8, i use mp5, regardless if it is wop or normal rpg type or even negative since resupply 4 and not holding fire constantly can keep it useable for these 8 waves.

if i do not find a perferable flak/rl/bio pu, i will briefly ask if someone has one (usually i only ask if a fair number of players i know by name are on). otherwise, i will then wop my mp5 wave 9 and stick pus on it, and suicide before wave 10 to get gold back. if mp5 was negative -2 or -3, i will wop my higher + flak or rl, apply pus, and hold it and suicide. i will pick weps up again wave 10 and play with what i got. if i get a weapon pu for a nonwopped gun i like, i will wop the gun and reconfigure the new gun. if i get a summon i like and my gold is gone, i will put retention on a wop with pus, hold summon, then suicide to get gold back to wop the summoned gun.

so..potentially, i could suicide 2 or even 3 times a map, which is rare for me to suicide even once since i tend to make due with guns i have if i get a weapon pu that i prefer. so seeing this example i gave of what my personal worst-case suicide map scenario is, i really want to know how something like this could be punishable?

thank you for reading this and giving me any input to what i had mentioned :}