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Post by SirBeast » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:49 am

Paintball wrote:Since this is such a big issue even though I dont have to at all,
not if you don't care about how people feel about this server and its admins, then no, I guess you don't HAVE to
Paintball wrote:I will make a compromise...again. I will ask the beginning of each carball match if anyone wants monsters. If more than half the players say yes then I will add monsters. There thats the NEW compromise, so any other ones are now invalid and void.
I find it amusing that you consider this a compromise, since the only one you're compromising with is yourself, since none of the actualy PLAYERS wanted the mobs in the first place. This is a compromise to your own seemingly power-hungry attitude only.

Nevertheless, I agree that you should consider showing some common courtesy in ASKING the players FIRST if they want mobs, rather than thinking it's the best idea for everyone without even BOTHERING to ask. That's the only reason people started cussing you in the first place was for screwing with the game they wanted to play and instead turning it into something they DIDN'T want to play. Then when they start calling you out and telling you this - admittedly, some in not-so-nice ways - you call it abuse. When IMHO it's you who started by abusing the players by using your admin abilities to turn the game into something NOBODY voted for or seemed to want at the time.

However, I will not disagree with your so-called "compromise". I've said it before and I'll say it again - if the MAJORITY of the players want something, they should get it - be it an INV, CB, or other. I may not necessarily agree with a majority, but hey, that's life, and I suck it up and play the game. So, if the MAJORITY of the players WANT monsters in Carball, then by all means THEN you SHOULD spawn mobs. But doing so first and THEN asking AFTER you've already done it and AFTER the MAJORITY of players have "abused" you for doing it - that's admin abuse in its own right, and just rude/wrong.

Take this hypothetical situation:
You dad and his buddies are watching the Jets game on television. All of a sudden you get the idea in your head that they'd prefer to watch the Giants game instead. Would you then grab the remote and change the channel to the Giants game simply because you THOUGHT they'd prefer to watch the Giants game instead? Or would you ask them first? And, if you changed it without asking first, would you be surprised if they yelled at you for it, and then would you call them abusive because they did yell?

Because, believe it or not, that's the exact same stunt you've pulled here.

It all boils down to matter of respect. You should try it sometime. You might be surprised at the reaction you get, as you're apparently not familiar with the concept.
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Post by KnaveSkye » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:50 pm

Heh..something just kinda clicked.....for those of you who looked at my origional boredom post i made a powerpoint that had alot of the regulars in it....and under paintball one of the only things i could think of other than Admin/player was"Likes to spawn random (crap) in Assault (those who have ever played the soccer type one know what i mean) and now it has transfered over to carball...heh
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Post by BaronVonRotterdam » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:41 pm

SirBeast wrote:
Paintball wrote:Since this is such a big issue even though I dont have to at all,
not if you don't care about how people feel about this server and its admins, then no, I guess you don't HAVE to
Paintball wrote:I will make a compromise...again. I will ask the beginning of each carball match if anyone wants monsters. If more than half the players say yes then I will add monsters. There thats the NEW compromise, so any other ones are now invalid and void.
I find it amusing that you consider this a compromise, since the only one you're compromising with is yourself, since none of the actualy PLAYERS wanted the mobs in the first place. This is a compromise to your own seemingly power-hungry attitude only.

Nevertheless, I agree that you should consider showing some common courtesy in ASKING the players FIRST if they want mobs, rather than thinking it's the best idea for everyone without even BOTHERING to ask. That's the only reason people started cussing you in the first place was for screwing with the game they wanted to play and instead turning it into something they DIDN'T want to play. Then when they start calling you out and telling you this - admittedly, some in not-so-nice ways - you call it abuse. When IMHO it's you who started by abusing the players by using your admin abilities to turn the game into something NOBODY voted for or seemed to want at the time.

However, I will not disagree with your so-called "compromise". I've said it before and I'll say it again - if the MAJORITY of the players want something, they should get it - be it an INV, CB, or other. I may not necessarily agree with a majority, but hey, that's life, and I suck it up and play the game. So, if the MAJORITY of the players WANT monsters in Carball, then by all means THEN you SHOULD spawn mobs. But doing so first and THEN asking AFTER you've already done it and AFTER the MAJORITY of players have "abused" you for doing it - that's admin abuse in its own right, and just rude/wrong.

Take this hypothetical situation:
You dad and his buddies are watching the Jets game on television. All of a sudden you get the idea in your head that they'd prefer to watch the Giants game instead. Would you then grab the remote and change the channel to the Giants game simply because you THOUGHT they'd prefer to watch the Giants game instead? Or would you ask them first? And, if you changed it without asking first, would you be surprised if they yelled at you for it, and then would you call them abusive because they did yell?

Because, believe it or not, that's the exact same stunt you've pulled here.

It all boils down to matter of respect. You should try it sometime. You might be surprised at the reaction you get, as you're apparently not familiar with the concept.
What do you want from me? You had a problem with the way I was running car ball, okay so I reconsidered my approach and I made a compromise. Im doing what joey suggested I do, ask you if you want monsters first and thats where the new compromise came from. What I did yesterday you acted like omg its so terrible. Stop whining all I did was spawn monsters in the game type monster carball that you voted for. If you dont like monster carball, then why did you vote it? Thats all it comes down to if you guys vote monster carball to just play carball then im sorry. Its called monster carball so admins put monsters in it. Again if you dont like how it is run then dont vote it. You guys are making such a big deal out of running a mod the way it was intended to run. By the way I dont even have to listen to or consider what you say. You are just players taking up spots thats it. Those of you that dont whine and just play this FREE server I enjoy hanging out with you. But you constant bitching whiners that have nothing to do but sit there and whine o paint did this o I dont like how this is run blah blah. Again I dont care, you dont pay to play here. This server is for free and I am appointed to keep things in check. We only seem to have a problem when it comes to carball and im sorry to tell you that carball is a secondary game type and you are lucky you even get to play it here so why dont you cut the crap and just be lucky that you even get to play carball here. And the respect thing, I dont need your guys respect I am here to do my job and thats it. What you guys think of me I dont care because the only time I even notice your existense is when I turn on my computer. And again those of you who dont whine and are just happy to play this great server for free dont bother reading this. If you people love carball so much, start up a server and play it there that way you can play it however you like. When your here its monster carball because thats what was voted. So to you whiners. I dont need your counseling, I dont need your whining and complaining, I dont need your friendship or respect. I am here to do my job and thats it. You guys provoked this by whning about something you dont deserve to whine about. Until you pay for your spot on the server, your opinion doesnt even matter. Also to those of you whiners that say oh paintball thats not how an admin speaks. It is actually I am not here to care about what you guys whine about. I am here making sure the game is run like its supposed to and to discipline players that get out of line as needed. Thats what all the admins do. Other admins choose to have friendships with admins and thats great and all but I still think that its not a good thing to be friends with your boss. Notice how joey doesnt take any of this shit. If you went to him with any of your whining you would see the server taken down like it was before because joey doesnt care about the whining. He hosts the serve for us to have a good time and if we are making it impossible for ourselfs and others to have fun then well there goes the server. My duty here is to ensure the game stays on track as its supposed to not to listen to whiners and get into all this drama and broken friendship stuff. I dont care about friendship online because you arent friends until I see you in real life you are an acquaintance. So when I turn off this computer everyone of you whiners just disappear from my thoughts and I dont think about you until I turn back on this computer because you are in my online part of life not my real life that I live everyday. There thats my two cents. If you dont like it then you can go pound salt. No one is telling you to stay here. I really didnt want to type this, but I have no choice.
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Post by General-Chainz » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:58 pm

Heres a idea Jus add the the easy monsters as previously said

And maybe code the monsters for carball to shoot the ball that would make much more impossible to make a goal
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Post by draegohn » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:23 pm

aww, paint...don't let the conflict get to you so :/ i don't let the stupid hack/aimbotter comments get to me any longer unless its driven at me hard from someone i like and respect here. but for not caring what others think, you do seem very very upset o,,o

anyhow, i think you do well as admin overall, and even if you make a mistake in some way, its no biggie regardless. and i still like you, and so do many others too, so no worries about feeling like an outsider. see ya round!

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Post by KnaveSkye » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:19 pm

Paintball wrote:By the way I dont even have to listen to or consider what you say. You are just players taking up spots thats it
Well, this insight into your overall perception of the ut2004 invasion community is a real eye opener, though your slogan becomes little more than a joke at this point "Keeping the UT2004 Invasion Community Alive One Player At A Time". I personally never had a problem with you paint, save the few oucasions you forced the assault map with the vehicle goals, spawn alot of MM weapons, and then camp from some semi-hidden spot on the map and instagib every attempt made. But i got over that, and it was even fun from time to time, but again, forced maps other than forcing the map that was voted or simply to get off the default, goes beyond policing the server and making sure it is maintained for all to use. Thats personal use of power for your own benefit. Yes, i realize that once you turn off your computer, we are all about as real as the monsters you kill on the server, but if thats the case, then how can you call this a "community" ...why do we even have this forum? What need do we have to communicate outside the game if our realtionships end at the game. Who needs fun, jokes, spam, introductions when they are not relevant to the game?
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Look, Im gonna stop here cause i really dont want this to look like a flame, I jsut dont understand how you can claim community when you dont seem to care about it.
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Post by BaronVonRotterdam » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:56 pm

KnaveSkye wrote:
Paintball wrote:By the way I dont even have to listen to or consider what you say. You are just players taking up spots thats it
Well, this insight into your overall perception of the ut2004 invasion community is a real eye opener, though your slogan becomes little more than a joke at this point "Keeping the UT2004 Invasion Community Alive One Player At A Time". I personally never had a problem with you paint, save the few oucasions you forced the assault map with the vehicle goals, spawn alot of MM weapons, and then camp from some semi-hidden spot on the map and instagib every attempt made. But i got over that, and it was even fun from time to time, but again, forced maps other than forcing the map that was voted or simply to get off the default, goes beyond policing the server and making sure it is maintained for all to use. Thats personal use of power for your own benefit. Yes, i realize that once you turn off your computer, we are all about as real as the monsters you kill on the server, but if thats the case, then how can you call this a "community" ...why do we even have this forum? What need do we have to communicate outside the game if our realtionships end at the game. Who needs fun, jokes, spam, introductions when they are not relevant to the game?
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Paintball: A teamplayer, able to win maps with merely the power of his own "balls". Is a subtle and excellent admin. ......subtle

Look, Im gonna stop here cause i really dont want this to look like a flame, I jsut dont understand how you can claim community when you dont seem to care about it.
"Those of you that dont whine and just play this FREE server I enjoy hanging out with you" Im not saying I dont care about the comings and goings of everyone, just the whiners who do nothing but, well whine. If you had read more carefully you would have saw that. Those of you that dont contribute to the drama and simply play the game and enjoy it those are the people I like to be around with and have fun with, not the whiners. There is no fun from someone who is always negative.
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Post by crayola » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:07 am

since its a team red vs blue why not have monsters near each team/goal or blue/red areas so each team monsters fighting opposing team to make it a little more challenging, monster on each team for each team side, monster for blue,monster for red
but if monster are to hard scoring a goal is not fun and close to impossible or impossible so it feels like a waste of time but i think 95% of carball players dont like cb with monsters in it LOL, but since ppl want cb and ppl want inv thats maybe way it was put up to make it fair in some way or fun for both sides, either way theres no such thing as a perfect world LOL jk

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Post by General-Chainz » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:18 am

How bout we implement sum RPG system into CB?
Thas what everyone gets mad about (Well the peeps that dont wanna play) they dont get any points or anything and they feel its a waste of time.
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Post by SirBeast » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:45 am

NICE COMPROMISE! WAY TO STICK TO IT PAINT!! Thanks for asking first before adding the mobs, even though only ONE player (plus one spectator) said "YES" to the mobs and FOUR players said "NO", you went ahead and added them anyway. I see you're a man of your word (NOT!), even though during the previous INV game I tried to bury the hatchet a little by tossing you a PU you had asked for, then you TURNED YOUR BACK ON THE PLAYERS AND YOUR OWN WORD the very next CarBall map.

I think it REALLY SUCKS that, as an admin, you say you're going to do one thing, then turn around and do the complete opposite. I am sure that this will come around and bite you in the ass someday, and I hope I am there to watch you cry when it happens.

I honestly think you need to be banned from server admin priveledges for at least week for abuse of admin power - ESPECIALLY after you SPELLED OUT here in the forums "EXACTLY" what you would do "the next time" and then completely disobeyed it.

You make me sick. At least the other admins display some sense of honor/respectability on this server - enough to make up where you lack those qualities.
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